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What is the point of Enchantment spec? 
Will the chanter buffs stack with druid spec buffs? Heard several people mention that enchantments is good for farming, but why!?
Also when focus pulling reds/low purps when will a 2nd mana spec'd char be able to pbaoe safely? Does the pet get enough aggro for a healer or two (with no ment) to be able to safely heal?
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no they don't stack, but the point is that you don't need a buffbot
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druids specc buffs dont stack with echantment buffs ,becuase there the same thing ,but they will stack with the base buffs.
Yer better off with a mana ment then some other healer. Main reason being that when yeh send out the pet till yeh move em back to park em he's taking damage and at this points regular healers cant heal or they'll will peel the critter off the pet.
If yer enchantment specced yeh can start healing once the pet is parked and the heal proc fires off but only use low lvl heals.
It also helps if the healers are some distance away from the pet.
The nuker can safely nuke when the critters are about half dead.
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you wont be able to pull and safely farm red/purple mobs without a mana ment. the healers will just get agro WAY too fast. maybe the enchantment spec heal proc thing would help but i doubt it'd do much.
even when u have a mana ment, you have to heal sparingly and pbae when teh mobs are under like 30%. if you never want a mob to agro the pbae'er, wait til the mobs are 15% or 10%.
focus shield now really sucks unless you can kill what you're farming in 1-2 shots.
you can still focus pull things like hulks and knights in df, quite successfully, but it is very very very slow compared to what it was before the nerf.
i farm hulks with my buffbot druid+fop, and a mana ment. just gotta leave the mobs on the shield til they're 10% and then i can pbae them. or i can use the ment to drop dots on the mobs to help 'em go down faster (wait til the mobs are under 50%) if he's caught up on hots.
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Actually the heal proc makes a ton of differance for aggro purposes, especially against mobs that dont hit very hard. The proc generates aggro for the pet only, and seems to be quite a bit.
To give an idea of how well it does...
Both of my chanters are 40mana 34chants, which gives the 1st (level 29sh) healproc. While I do prefer to run with a mana ment, I do sometimes use a druid or bard instead. On several occasions I have pet pulled in PoC (usually orange-red, some grape con mobs) and been forced to heal before even putting focus shield back up. If the pet heal proc has gone off at least twice during the pull the healer does not get aggro (using about 350pt heals).
The heal proc works best when you have several low con mobs hitting the pet, or against higher con mobs that hit fast but not hard per hit, due to the frequency of procs. It is a lifesaver however, especially since the focus nerfs.
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/agree 100% The heal proc generates tons of aggro for the pet. After it goes off a couple times, I can almost spam low level heals with my bard. I've run a bard with my 40mana 34 enchant chanter for forever. I now can choose between a bard, druid or mana ment or a combination of them, but I'm not respeccing. Even when I don't use the enchant str/con/dex/qui buffs, I use the heal proc. It rocks
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my chanter used to be mana speced but I got frustrated with it not being able to pull anything with all of the FS changes and agro changes so I respeced to 44 enc, 30 mana and I notice a huge diffrence with how agro builds up with the heal proc.
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The other thing that you can do is find some org/red/purple agro that is really close to some green agro. (DF cambs is a prime example) send the pet to get the harder mob then pick up a bunch of green/blue mobs to knock the hell out of the pet for 5-10 damage or so. dont use the focus shield ( it will kill the greens to fast) put the pet back on the main mob and watch your pet be healed for more damage then it is taking from having 15 or so mobs on it. 2 orange/reds and 10+ green/blues. once the main mobs are about 1/2 life throw on the focus shield. all mobs should die about the same time , you have full power and the pet has full life.. rinse, repeat
Now I am 49enchants 22 mana so results may be different for people with the lower healing proc.. You may have to throw 2-3 heals lol.
Imo enchantments spec is better then mana in alot of cases especially farming 
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I just want to add my 2 cents to this post. I just dug out an old chanter I made for some reason or another and he was chant specced at lvl 38 or so. I got some gear from some vaults and took him to BG. This is amazing. His pet can pretty much own anyone that doesnt kill me first and archers should probly not shoot me or they will be dead. Then I went to DF to get some exp and cash. At 34 chants/22 mana he was pulling almost the entire rocot room (with Jugg) and ending up full hp with about 15% or so power used. Honestly I cant name many chant specced chanters because of the myth about mana spec but I think I really like it. You can add value to a group with arms and a really nice pet. I plan to go 44c/30m for what I see as the best way for utility play.
Thanks for this post, it opened my eyes and made a fun toon for now. This toon may even be necro level farming (not sure yet but will find out).
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I've been manachanter for all of of my playtime, except that one week where I actually respecced to 49 enchant/22 mana just to level my Eerie Darkness Stone in DF. We didn't have DF but once a blue moon and I REALLY wanted this thing to level 10.
Anyhow, if you want to farm, spec enchant. While it's true that the enchant buffs don't stack with druid specs and all that, it is the healproc that makes all the difference and no druid can get you that.
Grouped with only my bard, we would go down toward the hib prince room and pull easy 8-10+ red orange shredders per pull. You see, the more mobs are beating on your pet, the more often the healproc will go off which generates a LOT of aggro for your pet while keeping it alive as well.
My bard was able to pretty much spam heals (whenever he had to) but alot of times you won't even need many heals during the pull because of the proc. If mobs decided to come for me or the bard when I pulled, it wouldn't take but one time of the proc to go off to make the mob literally turn around and run the other way out to my pet instead which often times was still out pulling across the room.
3 things you should remember:
-Pull alot, but not to much. (you'll get the hang of how much is to much after a few deaths)
-Alot of it is luck. sometimes you pulled enough mobs but mythic thinks it's time for you to die and the healproc doesn't go off as often as you need it too  happens but not very often
-Get Juggernaut for those "Oops" pulls. Works great
I liked it so much, I actually ended up leveling another Chanter with enchantment spec just for farming.
Beats my Manachanter anyday.
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For your information Enchatment spec is awesome, I have a 50 chanter 44 Enchantments, 23 light and 21 mana, i am also ML10 convoker. i cast the underhill friend (which hits for the most). Here is what i have been doing lately (solo). I camp Mid or Alb POC entrance. wait for someone to zone in, hit the ML9 pet buff (which is like Jaugger 2). Then i sick pet on the person, when pet is like that and with the enchantment buffs, i hit anyone coming in for anywhere from 350-800 a swing. i have been able to take out at least a grp of 4 zoneing in without getting touched. I am RR5 atm, and I /dueled a thane RR9 1 on 1 and beat him easily. See the thing is with enchatment spec is that, the person your fighting cannot disreguard your pet and do directly for you, because he will be dead before he gets to you, and he cant focus on the pet and disreguard you, cus you will stunn him and blast the hell out of him while hes fighting pet. I love my enchatment spec. now i know what it feels like to kill more than get killed.
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ML 10 Convoker, 36 Enchant (1st Heal proc) 40 mana.
With the big pet and heal proc I dont need my mana ment to hot anymore. Pet generates so much aggro i use my buffbots biggest heals (410) with no worries.
Managed to solo Chief Crysosomethingorother (ML8 group step) with pet and buff bot alone. Thats a named Grape with 7-9 red/grape guards.
Heal proc is UBER for farming
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^^^^^
Excatly. I respeced to get the first heal proc and I used my biggest possible heals (40+ reg) on my pet with no problems. I also have a full mana ment using full aoe DOT's around 70-80%. Works great.
On occasion one will go after ment but that means he crit so he's gonna die pretty soon anayways.
Moral of the story is at least get the first heal proc.
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Greetings:
I've been Enchantment (left over in mana) since lvl 29.
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The healing proc is great. Can't wait for the next/final version of it.
Going 49/22...am currently lvl 47.5 at 45/22.
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Myself and my Druid bot 44Nurt/27Reg (lvl 48) - I'm having fun.
In CM I pull the entire camp that I'm at. Either Wee1, Wee2 or Abys.
Really surprising how much you can pull with that healing proc going off so your Druid can heal w/o worry @ aggro.
Heck, he's throwing 310 heals (and the occasional 430 greater) no problem.
Dco'mad.
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Look will you all shut up !!!!, if you keep letting people know about us we'll be next for the nerf bat .
Full enchant here with leftover into mana. Have been full enchant for ages (as well as having a full mana chant and eld).
It's true, everything you read here about the 49 spec is true and with 50 spec its even better (insidious will-piercing magic).
Trust me in RvR people get a REAL shock when they get pummled by my fully buffed pet...first they smack me and drop sheild ....pet instantly chases em down...they ignore pet (first mistake) and go for me...pet chatches up with em and SMACK (they then realise it hurts alot and switch to pet)....whoosh stunned....pet beats em i cast on em...oh my what fun.
Even funnier when i get hit by an archer or caster...pet just dissappears after em and a few mins later i get hilly killed such n such....you can see the panick on the spam...pet hits joebloggs...joe bloggs hits pet...pet self heals...pet hits joe bloggs..joe bloggs hits pet....jeff bloggs hits pet....jane bloggs hits pet...pet self heals ...pet self heals...pet self heals... pet kills joe bloggs...pet hits jeff bloggs...you get the idea,he he he.
Sure hilly dies a few time s but watching the spam is so funny .
Trust me, for huge fun get a BB and go 50 enchant...don't listen to what ppl tell you..it's the most fun i've ever had in RvR.
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Were is the best PET for RvR and for PetPull?
The Ally PET make many time for casting HOT on me, and he i have agro from the MOB
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