Author Topic: Logs of hunter/ranger melee/bow damage comparrison (Long)
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Date Posted: 7/17/03 10:25pm Subject: Logs of hunter/ranger melee/bow damage comparrison (Long) - Date Edited: 8/1/03 1:00pm (2 edits total) Edited By: NoRamis
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Ok guys, like Stardoag said I have the complete logs here and am now posting them for all to see.

First off, this is like 9 fight logs total...with half being botted and half being self buffed to get an "Idea" of hunter/ranger melee with one of the best melee hunters on galahad against myself.

As anyone with common sense knows, you would need 100+, or even 1000+ logs to get more exact. This is just to give a ballpark idea of how Hunters and Rangers do against one another. I promied everyone I would do this, so now I am.

This is not a biased test, and if I am overlooking something that makes this test biased in one way or another pleases feel free to point it out.

We also done some bow damage comparison as well, which I will post along with the melee fights.

Anyways, here are the logs in their entirity for those that wish to look at them.

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This fight both of us are buff botted, I'm using a 50 nurture spec druid with MoA3...Stardoag is using a bot with I think 44 spec and MoA3.
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[22:34:46] Your blade strikes more accurately!
[22:34:53] You bow to Stardoag.
[22:34:56] Stardoag bows to you.
[22:34:58] You auto-stick Kobold.
[22:35:00] Stardoag attacks you with his spear!
[22:35:00] You are hit for 273 damage.
[22:35:01] You enter combat mode and target [Stardoag]
[22:35:01] You prepare to perform a Black Widow!
[22:35:01] You perform your Black Widow perfectly. (+32)
[22:35:01] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 116 (-65) damage!
[22:35:01] You hit Stardoag for 14 extra damage!
[22:35:01] A crystal shield covers Stardoag's skin.
[22:35:02] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[22:35:02] You are now preparing to perform a Sidewinder style as a backup for Diamondback!
[22:35:02] Stardoag is not in view!
[22:35:03] You attack Stardoag with your dagger and hit for 74 (-42) damage!
[22:35:03] A barrier absorbs 37 damage of your attack!
[22:35:03] You hit Stardoag for 12 extra damage!
[22:35:03] Stardoag attacks you with his spear!
[22:35:03] You are hit for 379 damage.
[22:35:04] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[22:35:04] You are now preparing to perform a Black Widow style as a backup for Diamondback!
[22:35:04] You perform your Black Widow perfectly. (+26)
[22:35:04] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 92 (-52) damage!
[22:35:04] A barrier absorbs 46 damage of your attack!
[22:35:04] You hit Stardoag for 11 extra damage!
[22:35:04] An acidic cloud surrounds you!
[22:35:04] You are hit for 57 damage.
[22:35:04] You attack Stardoag with your dagger and hit for 68 (-38) damage!
[22:35:04] A barrier absorbs 17 damage of your attack!
[22:35:04] You hit Stardoag for 12 extra damage!
[22:35:04] Stardoag's weapon is imbued with the strength of the earth.
[22:35:05] Stardoag casts a spell!
[22:35:05] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[22:35:05] You are now preparing to perform a Sidewinder style as a backup for Diamondback!
[22:35:05] The hunter's avatar hits your foot for 86 (-23) damage!
[22:35:06] Stardoag is not in view!
[22:35:06] Stardoag attacks you with his spear!
[22:35:06] You evade Stardoag's attack!
[22:35:07] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 93 (-52) damage!
[22:35:07] You hit Stardoag for 16 extra damage!
[22:35:07] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[22:35:08] You are now preparing to perform a Black Widow style as a backup for Diamondback!
[22:35:08] You perform your Diamondback perfectly. (+61)
[22:35:08] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 124 (-70) damage!
[22:35:08] You hit Stardoag for 11 extra damage!
[22:35:08] Stardoag cannot seem to move!
[22:35:08] An acidic cloud surrounds you!
[22:35:08] You are hit for 61 damage.
[22:35:10] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[22:35:10] You perform your Diamondback perfectly. (+52)
[22:35:10] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 106 (-60) damage!
[22:35:10] You hit Stardoag for 13 extra damage!
[22:35:10] You attack Stardoag with your dagger and hit for 71 (-40) damage!
[22:35:10] You critical hit for an additional 17 damage!
[22:35:10] You hit Stardoag for 16 extra damage!
[22:35:10] Stardoag already has that effect.
[22:35:10] Wait until it expires. Spell Failed
[22:35:10] The hunter's avatar attacks you and misses!
[22:35:11] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[22:35:11] You are now preparing to perform a Black Widow style as a backup for Diamondback!
[22:35:12] You perform your Diamondback perfectly. (+63)
[22:35:12] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 128 (-72) damage!
[22:35:12] You hit Stardoag for 13 extra damage!
[22:35:12] Stardoag already has that effect.
[22:35:12] Wait until it expires. Spell Failed
[22:35:13] An acidic cloud surrounds you!
[22:35:13] You are hit for 55 damage.
[22:35:13] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[22:35:13] You are now preparing to perform a Black Widow style as a backup for Diamondback!
[22:35:14] Stardoag attacks you with his spear!
[22:35:14] You are hit for 482 damage.
[22:35:14] Stardoag does 28 extra damage to you!
[22:35:14] You are hit for 28 damage.
[22:35:14] You perform your Black Widow perfectly. (+28)
[22:35:14] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 101 (-57) damage!
[22:35:14] You hit Stardoag for 13 extra damage!
[22:35:14] Stardoag is surrounded by an acidic cloud!
[22:35:14] You hit Stardoag for 74 damage!
[22:35:14] Stardoag's weapon is imbued with the strength of the earth.
[22:35:14] You attack Stardoag with your dagger and hit for 73 (-41) damage!
[22:35:14] You hit Stardoag for 15 extra damage!
[22:35:15] The hunter's avatar hits your torso for 71 (-19) damage!
[22:35:15] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[22:35:15] You are now preparing to perform a Sidewinder style as a backup for Diamondback!
[22:35:15] You perform your Sidewinder perfectly. (+20)
[22:35:15] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 93 (-52) damage!
[22:35:15] You hit Stardoag for 15 extra damage!
[22:35:15] You attack Stardoag with your dagger and hit for 65 (-37) damage!
[22:35:15] You hit Stardoag for 11 extra damage!
[22:35:16] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[22:35:16] You are now preparing to perform a Asp's Bite style as a backup for Diamondback!
[22:35:16] An acidic cloud surrounds you!
[22:35:16] You are hit for 50 damage.
[22:35:16] Stardoag attacks you with his spear!
[22:35:16] You are hit for 294 damage.
[22:35:16] Stardoag does 34 extra damage to you!
[22:35:16] You are hit for 34 damage.
[22:35:16] A crystal shield covers Stardoag's skin.
[22:35:17] You perform your Asp's Bite perfectly. (+60)
[22:35:17] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 122 (-69) damage!
[22:35:17] A barrier absorbs 50 damage of your attack!
[22:35:17] You hit Stardoag for 11 extra damage!
[22:35:17] Stardoag cannot seem to move!
[22:35:18] Stardoag is surrounded by an acidic cloud!
[22:35:18] You hit Stardoag for 64 damage!
[22:35:18] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[22:35:18] You are now preparing to perform a Cobra's Bite style as a backup for Diamondback!
[22:35:19] You perform your Cobra's Bite perfectly. (+82)
[22:35:19] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 157 (-88) damage!
[22:35:19] You hit Stardoag for 12 extra damage!
[22:35:19] You attack Stardoag with your dagger and hit for 79 (-44) damage!
[22:35:19] You hit Stardoag for 16 extra damage!
[22:35:19] A crystal shield covers Stardoag's skin.
[22:35:20] The hunter's avatar attacks you and misses!
[22:35:20] Stardoag attacks you with his spear!
[22:35:20] Stardoag misses!
[22:35:20] Stardoag evades your attack!
[22:35:20] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[22:35:20] You are now preparing to perform a Black Widow style as a backup for Diamondback!
[22:35:21] An acidic cloud surrounds you!
[22:35:21] You are hit for 57 damage.
[22:35:21] Slitz was just killed by Stardoag!
[22:35:21] Your health returns to normal.
[22:35:21] Your Dexterity has decreased.
[22:35:21] Your Quickness has decreased.
[22:35:21] Your strength returns to normal.
[22:35:21] Your Strength has decreased.
[22:35:21] Your Constitution has decreased.
[22:35:21] Your hits have decreased.
[22:35:21] Your skin loses its extra strength.
[22:35:21] Your strength returns to normal.
[22:35:21] Your Strength has decreased.
[22:35:21] Your agility returns to normal.
[22:35:21] Your Dexterity has decreased.
[22:35:21] Your health returns to normal.
[22:35:21] Your Constitution has decreased.
[22:35:21] Your hits have decreased.
[22:35:21] The acidic mist around you dissipates.
[22:35:21] You have died. Type /release to return to your last bind point.

**Note--As you can see, I landed my reactionary stun style off an evade in the above log but lost.

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This fight both of us are buff botted, I'm using a 50 nurture spec druid with MoA3...Stardoag is using a bot with I think 44 spec and MoA3.
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[22:37:58] You bow to Stardoag.
[22:38:05] Stardoag bows to you.
[22:38:07] You auto-stick Kobold.
[22:38:09] You enter combat mode and target [Stardoag]
[22:38:09] You prepare to perform a Black Widow!
[22:38:09] Stardoag attacks you with his spear!
[22:38:09] You are hit for 256 damage.
[22:38:09] You perform your Black Widow perfectly. (+28)
[22:38:09] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 100 (-57) damage!
[22:38:09] A barrier absorbs 50 damage of your attack!
[22:38:09] You hit Stardoag for 17 extra damage!
[22:38:10] The hunter's avatar attacks you and misses!
[22:38:10] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[22:38:10] You are now preparing to perform a Sidewinder style as a backup for Diamondback!
[22:38:11] You perform your Sidewinder perfectly. (+24)
[22:38:11] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 110 (-62) damage!
[22:38:11] A barrier absorbs 50 damage of your attack!
[22:38:11] You hit Stardoag for 12 extra damage!
[22:38:11] Stardoag attacks you with his spear!
[22:38:11] You are hit for 296 damage.
[22:38:11] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[22:38:12] You are now preparing to perform a Asp's Bite style as a backup for Diamondback!
[22:38:12] You perform your Asp's Bite perfectly. (+61)
[22:38:12] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 123 (-69) damage!
[22:38:12] You hit Stardoag for 19 extra damage!
[22:38:12] Stardoag cannot seem to move!
[22:38:13] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[22:38:13] You are now preparing to perform a Cobra's Bite style as a backup for Diamondback!
[22:38:14] The hunter's avatar attacks you and misses!
[22:38:14] Stardoag is not in view!
[22:38:14] Stardoag attacks you with his spear!
[22:38:14] You are hit for 187 damage.
[22:38:15] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 83 (-47) damage!
[22:38:15] You hit Stardoag for 18 extra damage!
[22:38:16] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[22:38:16] You are now preparing to perform a Black Widow style as a backup for Diamondback!
[22:38:17] You perform your Black Widow perfectly. (+32)
[22:38:17] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 114 (-64) damage!
[22:38:17] You hit Stardoag for 18 extra damage!
[22:38:17] You attack Stardoag with your dagger and hit for 69 (-39) damage!
[22:38:17] You hit Stardoag for 14 extra damage!
[22:38:18] Stardoag attacks you with his spear!
[22:38:18] You are hit for 215 damage.
[22:38:18] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[22:38:18] You are now preparing to perform a Sidewinder style as a backup for Diamondback!
[22:38:18] You perform your Sidewinder perfectly. (+20)
[22:38:18] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 95 (-53) damage!
[22:38:18] You hit Stardoag for 15 extra damage!
[22:38:19] The hunter's avatar hits your torso for 87 (-23) damage!
[22:38:19] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[22:38:20] You are now preparing to perform a Asp's Bite style as a backup for Diamondback!
[22:38:20] You perform your Asp's Bite perfectly. (+69)
[22:38:20] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 139 (-78) damage!
[22:38:20] You hit Stardoag for 16 extra damage!
[22:38:20] Stardoag is surrounded by an acidic cloud!
[22:38:20] You hit Stardoag for 56 damage!
[22:38:20] You attack Stardoag with your dagger and hit for 73 (-41) damage!
[22:38:20] You hit Stardoag for 11 extra damage!
[22:38:20] Stardoag is surrounded by an acidic cloud!
[22:38:20] You hit Stardoag for 66 damage!
[22:38:20] Stardoag cannot seem to move!
[22:38:21] Stardoag attacks you with his spear!
[22:38:21] You are hit for 286 damage.
[22:38:21] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[22:38:22] You are now preparing to perform a Cobra's Bite style as a backup for Diamondback!
[22:38:22] You perform your Cobra's Bite perfectly. (+74)
[22:38:22] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 143 (-81) damage!
[22:38:22] You hit Stardoag for 14 extra damage!
[22:38:22] You attack Stardoag with your dagger and hit for 76 (-43) damage!
[22:38:22] You hit Stardoag for 10 extra damage!
[22:38:23] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[22:38:23] You are now preparing to perform a Black Widow style as a backup for Diamondback!
[22:38:23] The hunter's avatar attacks you and misses!
[22:38:24] You perform your Black Widow perfectly. (+29)
[22:38:24] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 103 (-58) damage!
[22:38:24] You hit Stardoag for 13 extra damage!
[22:38:24] Stardoag is surrounded by an acidic cloud!
[22:38:24] You hit Stardoag for 54 damage!
[22:38:24] You attack Stardoag with your dagger and hit for 70 (-40) damage!
[22:38:24] You critical hit for an additional 18 damage!
[22:38:24] You hit Stardoag for 10 extra damage!
[22:38:24] Stardoag's weapon is imbued with the strength of the earth.
[22:38:24] Stardoag attacks you with his spear!
[22:38:24] You are hit for 286 damage.
[22:38:24] Stardoag does 40 extra damage to you!
[22:38:24] You are hit for 40 damage.
[22:38:25] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[22:38:25] You are now preparing to perform a Sidewinder style as a backup for Diamondback!
[22:38:25] You perform your Sidewinder perfectly. (+24)
[22:38:25] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 111 (-63) damage!
[22:38:25] You hit Stardoag for 11 extra damage!
[22:38:26] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[22:38:26] You are now preparing to perform a Asp's Bite style as a backup for Diamondback!
[22:38:27] Stardoag attacks you with his spear!
[22:38:27] You are hit for 253 damage.
[22:38:27] Slitz was just killed by Stardoag!
[22:38:27] Your health returns to normal.
[22:38:27] Your Dexterity has decreased.
[22:38:27] Your Quickness has decreased.
[22:38:27] Your strength returns to normal.
[22:38:27] Your Strength has decreased.
[22:38:27] Your Constitution has decreased.
[22:38:27] Your hits have decreased.
[22:38:27] Your skin loses its extra strength.
[22:38:27] Your strength returns to normal.
[22:38:27] Your Strength has decreased.
[22:38:27] Your agility returns to normal.
[22:38:27] Your Dexterity has decreased.
[22:38:27] Your health returns to normal.
[22:38:27] Your Constitution has decreased.
[22:38:27] Your hits have decreased.
[22:38:27] You have died. Type /release to return to your last bind point.

**Note--I did not land my reactionary stun style in the above fight and lost.

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This fight both of us are buff botted, I'm using a 50 nurture spec druid with MoA3...Stardoag is using a bot with I think 44 spec and MoA3.
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[22:44:20] You bow to Stardoag.
[22:44:23] Stardoag bows to you.
[22:44:25] You auto-stick Kobold.
[22:44:28] Stardoag attacks you with his spear!
[22:44:28] You are hit for 264 damage.
[22:44:28] You enter combat mode and target [Stardoag]
[22:44:28] You prepare to perform a Black Widow!
[22:44:28] You perform your Black Widow perfectly. (+33)
[22:44:28] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 116 (-65) damage!
[22:44:28] You hit Stardoag for 15 extra damage!
[22:44:29] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[22:44:29] The hunter's avatar hits your torso for 71 (-19) damage!
[22:44:29] You are now preparing to perform a Sidewinder style as a backup for Diamondback!
[22:44:29] You perform your Sidewinder perfectly. (+20)
[22:44:29] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 92 (-52) damage!
[22:44:29] You hit Stardoag for 15 extra damage!
[22:44:29] A crystal shield covers Stardoag's skin.
[22:44:29] Stardoag evades your attack!
[22:44:30] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[22:44:30] You are now preparing to perform a Asp's Bite style as a backup for Diamondback!
[22:44:31] Stardoag attacks you with his spear!
[22:44:31] You are hit for 269 damage.
[22:44:31] You perform your Asp's Bite perfectly. (+68)
[22:44:31] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 137 (-77) damage!
[22:44:31] A barrier absorbs 68 damage of your attack!
[22:44:31] You hit Stardoag for 15 extra damage!
[22:44:31] Stardoag is surrounded by an acidic cloud!
[22:44:31] You hit Stardoag for 66 damage!
[22:44:31] You attack Stardoag with your dagger and hit for 63 (-35) damage!
[22:44:31] A barrier absorbs 31 damage of your attack!
[22:44:31] You hit Stardoag for 16 extra damage!
[22:44:31] Stardoag is surrounded by an acidic cloud!
[22:44:31] You hit Stardoag for 57 damage!
[22:44:31] Stardoag cannot seem to move!
[22:44:32] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[22:44:32] You are now preparing to perform a Cobra's Bite style as a backup for Diamondback!
[22:44:33] You perform your Cobra's Bite perfectly. (+62)
[22:44:33] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 120 (-67) damage!
[22:44:33] A barrier absorbs 1 damage of your attack!
[22:44:33] You hit Stardoag for 15 extra damage!
[22:44:34] The hunter's avatar attacks you and you evade the blow!
[22:44:34] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[22:44:34] You are now preparing to perform a Black Widow style as a backup for Diamondback!
[22:44:34] Stardoag attacks you with his spear!
[22:44:34] You are hit for 289 damage.
[22:44:34] You perform your Black Widow perfectly. (+30)
[22:44:34] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 107 (-60) damage!
[22:44:34] You hit Stardoag for 16 extra damage!
[22:44:35] Stardoag is surrounded by an acidic cloud!
[22:44:35] You hit Stardoag for 73 damage!
[22:44:35] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[22:44:36] You are now preparing to perform a Black Widow style as a backup for Diamondback!
[22:44:37] You perform your Black Widow perfectly. (+32)
[22:44:37] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 116 (-65) damage!
[22:44:37] You hit Stardoag for 18 extra damage!
[22:44:38] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[22:44:38] You are now preparing to perform a Black Widow style as a backup for Diamondback!
[22:44:38] You perform your Black Widow perfectly. (+25)
[22:44:38] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 91 (-51) damage!
[22:44:38] You hit Stardoag for 18 extra damage!
[22:44:38] You attack Stardoag with your dagger and hit for 67 (-38) damage!
[22:44:38] You hit Stardoag for 15 extra damage!
[22:44:38] Stardoag is surrounded by an acidic cloud!
[22:44:38] You hit Stardoag for 54 damage!
[22:44:38] The hunter's avatar attacks you and you evade the blow!
[22:44:38] Stardoag attacks you with his spear!
[22:44:38] You are hit for 320 damage.
[22:44:40] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[22:44:40] You fail to execute your Diamondback perfectly.
[22:44:40] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 78 (-44) damage!
[22:44:40] You hit Stardoag for 15 extra damage!
[22:44:41] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[22:44:41] You are now preparing to perform a Black Widow style as a backup for Diamondback!
[22:44:41] You perform your Black Widow perfectly. (+34)
[22:44:41] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 121 (-68) damage!
[22:44:41] You critical hit for an additional 49 damage!
[22:44:41] You hit Stardoag for 12 extra damage!
[22:44:41] Stardoag's attacks move with the speed of the wind!
[22:44:42] Stardoag is surrounded by an acidic cloud!
[22:44:42] You hit Stardoag for 66 damage!
[22:44:42] Stardoag attacks you with his spear!
[22:44:42] You evade Stardoag's attack!
[22:44:42] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[22:44:42] You are too fatigued to perform the Sidewinder style!
[22:44:43] The hunter's avatar attacks you and misses!
[22:44:43] You perform your Diamondback perfectly. (+52)
[22:44:43] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 106 (-60) damage!
[22:44:43] You hit Stardoag for 14 extra damage!
[22:44:43] You attack Stardoag with your dagger and hit for 77 (-43) damage!
[22:44:43] You hit Stardoag for 14 extra damage!
[22:44:43] Stardoag cannot seem to move!
[22:44:45] You are too fatigued to perform the Diamondback style!
[22:44:45] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 73 (-41) damage!
[22:44:45] You critical hit for an additional 19 damage!
[22:44:45] You hit Stardoag for 17 extra damage!
[22:44:45] You attack Stardoag with your dagger and hit for 77 (-43) damage!
[22:44:45] You hit Stardoag for 10 extra damage!
[22:44:46] Stardoag is surrounded by an acidic cloud!
[22:44:46] You hit Stardoag for 69 damage!
[22:44:46] You just killed Stardoag!
[22:44:46] The protection around Stardoag fades.
[22:44:46] Stardoag's extra strength fades.
[22:44:46] Stardoag's extra health fades.
[22:44:46] Stardoag's attacks return to normal.
[22:44:46] The acidic mist around Stardoag dissipates.
[22:44:46] Stardoag just died. His corpse lies on the ground.

**Note--I landed my reactionary stun style in the above fight and won.

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This fight both of us are buff botted, I'm using a 50 nurture spec druid with MoA3...Stardoag is using a bot with I think 44 spec and MoA3.
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[22:51:22] You bow to Stardoag.
[22:51:25] Stardoag bows to you.
[22:51:27] You auto-stick Kobold.
[22:51:29] Stardoag attacks you with his spear!
[22:51:29] You are hit for 256 damage.
[22:51:29] Stardoag does 17 extra damage to you!
[22:51:29] You are hit for 17 damage.
[22:51:29] You enter combat mode and target [Stardoag]
[22:51:29] You prepare to perform a Black Widow!
[22:51:29] You perform your Black Widow perfectly. (+26)
[22:51:29] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 93 (-52) damage!
[22:51:29] You hit Stardoag for 14 extra damage!
[22:51:29] You attack Stardoag with your dagger and hit for 77 (-44) damage!
[22:51:29] You hit Stardoag for 15 extra damage!
[22:51:30] Stardoag casts a spell!
[22:51:30] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[22:51:30] You are now preparing to perform a Sidewinder style as a backup for Diamondback!
[22:51:31] You perform your Sidewinder perfectly. (+25)
[22:51:31] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 114 (-64) damage!
[22:51:31] You critical hit for an additional 33 damage!
[22:51:31] You hit Stardoag for 13 extra damage!
[22:51:31] You miss!
[22:51:31] The hunter's avatar hits your leg for 101 (-27) damage!
[22:51:32] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[22:51:32] You are now preparing to perform a Asp's Bite style as a backup for Diamondback!
[22:51:32] Stardoag attacks you with his spear!
[22:51:32] Stardoag misses!
[22:51:32] You perform your Asp's Bite perfectly. (+72)
[22:51:32] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 145 (-82) damage!
[22:51:32] You hit Stardoag for 15 extra damage!
[22:51:32] Stardoag cannot seem to move!
[22:51:34] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[22:51:34] You are now preparing to perform a Cobra's Bite style as a backup for Diamondback!
[22:51:34] You perform your Cobra's Bite perfectly. (+74)
[22:51:34] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 142 (-80) damage!
[22:51:34] You hit Stardoag for 12 extra damage!
[22:51:35] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[22:51:36] You are now preparing to perform a Black Widow style as a backup for Diamondback!
[22:51:36] The hunter's avatar attacks you and misses!
[22:51:36] Stardoag attacks you with his spear!
[22:51:36] You are hit for 277 damage.
[22:51:36] Stardoag does 21 extra damage to you!
[22:51:36] You are hit for 21 damage.
[22:51:36] You perform your Black Widow perfectly. (+24)
[22:51:36] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 87 (-49) damage!
[22:51:36] You hit Stardoag for 19 extra damage!
[22:51:37] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[22:51:38] You are now preparing to perform a Sidewinder style as a backup for Diamondback!
[22:51:38] You perform your Sidewinder perfectly. (+19)
[22:51:38] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 87 (-49) damage!
[22:51:38] You hit Stardoag for 18 extra damage!
[22:51:38] You miss!
[22:51:38] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[22:51:39] You are now preparing to perform a Asp's Bite style as a backup for Diamondback!
[22:51:40] You perform your Asp's Bite perfectly. (+64)
[22:51:40] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 130 (-73) damage!
[22:51:40] You hit Stardoag for 16 extra damage!
[22:51:40] Stardoag cannot seem to move!
[22:51:40] Stardoag attacks you with his spear!
[22:51:40] You are hit for 509 damage.
[22:51:40] Stardoag does 27 extra damage to you!
[22:51:40] You are hit for 27 damage.
[22:51:40] The hunter's avatar attacks you and misses!
[22:51:40] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[22:51:41] You are now preparing to perform a Cobra's Bite style as a backup for Diamondback!
[22:51:41] You perform your Cobra's Bite perfectly. (+65)
[22:51:41] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 125 (-70) damage!
[22:51:41] You hit Stardoag for 12 extra damage!
[22:51:42] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[22:51:42] You are now preparing to perform a Black Widow style as a backup for Diamondback!
[22:51:43] You perform your Black Widow perfectly. (+28)
[22:51:43] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 99 (-56) damage!
[22:51:43] You hit Stardoag for 11 extra damage!
[22:51:43] Stardoag evades your attack!
[22:51:44] Stardoag attacks you with his spear!
[22:51:44] You evade Stardoag's attack!
[22:51:44] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[22:51:44] You are now preparing to perform a Sidewinder style as a backup for Diamondback!
[22:51:45] The hunter's avatar hits your head for 81 (-22) damage!
[22:51:45] You perform your Diamondback perfectly. (+67)
[22:51:45] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 135 (-76) damage!
[22:51:45] You hit Stardoag for 18 extra damage!
[22:51:45] You attack Stardoag with your dagger and hit for 69 (-39) damage!
[22:51:45] You hit Stardoag for 15 extra damage!
[22:51:45] Stardoag cannot seem to move!
[22:51:46] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[22:51:46] You perform your Diamondback perfectly. (+65)
[22:51:46] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 131 (-74) damage!
[22:51:46] You hit Stardoag for 16 extra damage!
[22:51:46] Stardoag already has that effect.
[22:51:46] Wait until it expires. Spell Failed
[22:51:47] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[22:51:48] You perform your Diamondback perfectly. (+55)
[22:51:48] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 111 (-62) damage!
[22:51:48] You hit Stardoag for 15 extra damage!
[22:51:48] Stardoag is surrounded by an acidic cloud!
[22:51:48] You hit Stardoag for 69 damage!
[22:51:48] A crystal shield covers Stardoag's skin.
[22:51:48] You attack Stardoag with your dagger and hit for 61 (-34) damage!
[22:51:48] A barrier absorbs 30 damage of your attack!
[22:51:48] You hit Stardoag for 14 extra damage!
[22:51:48] Stardoag already has that effect.
[22:51:48] Wait until it expires. Spell Failed
[22:51:49] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[22:51:49] The hunter's avatar hits your head for 82 (-22) damage!
[22:51:50] Stardoag attacks you with his spear!
[22:51:50] Stardoag misses!
[22:51:50] You fail to execute your Diamondback perfectly.
[22:51:50] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 75 (-42) damage!
[22:51:50] A barrier absorbs 37 damage of your attack!
[22:51:50] You hit Stardoag for 18 extra damage!
[22:51:50] You attack Stardoag with your dagger and hit for 62 (-35) damage!
[22:51:50] A barrier absorbs 31 damage of your attack!
[22:51:50] You just killed Stardoag!
[22:51:50] The protection around Stardoag fades.
[22:51:50] Stardoag's extra strength fades.
[22:51:50] Stardoag's extra health fades.
[22:51:50] Stardoag's weapon returns to normal.
[22:51:50] The acidic mist around Stardoag dissipates.
[22:51:50] Stardoag just died. His corpse lies on the ground.

**Note--I landed my reactionary stun style in the above fight and won.

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This fight both of us are buff botted, I'm using a 50 nurture spec druid with MoA3...Stardoag is using a bot with I think 44 spec and MoA3.
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[22:59:59] You bow to Stardoag.
[23:00:03] Stardoag bows to you.
[23:00:04] You auto-stick Kobold.
[23:00:08] You enter combat mode and target [Stardoag]
[23:00:08] You prepare to perform a Black Widow!
[23:00:08] Stardoag evades your attack!
[23:00:08] You attack Stardoag with your dagger and hit for 63 (-35) damage!
[23:00:08] A barrier absorbs 31 damage of your attack!
[23:00:08] You hit Stardoag for 16 extra damage!
[23:00:08] The hunter's avatar attacks you and misses!
[23:00:08] Stardoag attacks you with his spear!
[23:00:08] You are hit for 368 damage.
[23:00:08] Stardoag does 21 extra damage to you!
[23:00:08] You are hit for 21 damage.
[23:00:09] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[23:00:09] You are now preparing to perform a Black Widow style as a backup for Diamondback!
[23:00:10] You perform your Black Widow perfectly. (+29)
[23:00:10] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 104 (-58) damage!
[23:00:10] A barrier absorbs 6 damage of your attack!
[23:00:10] You hit Stardoag for 12 extra damage!
[23:00:10] Stardoag evades your attack!
[23:00:10] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[23:00:11] You are now preparing to perform a Sidewinder style as a backup for Diamondback!
[23:00:11] You perform your Sidewinder perfectly. (+24)
[23:00:11] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 113 (-63) damage!
[23:00:11] You hit Stardoag for 12 extra damage!
[23:00:12] Stardoag attacks you with his spear!
[23:00:12] You are hit for 380 damage.
[23:00:12] Stardoag does 19 extra damage to you!
[23:00:12] You are hit for 19 damage.
[23:00:12] Your movement is slowed!
[23:00:12] A crystal shield covers Stardoag's skin.
[23:00:12] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[23:00:12] You are now preparing to perform a Asp's Bite style as a backup for Diamondback!
[23:00:13] The hunter's avatar hits your torso for 114 (-30) damage!
[23:00:13] You perform your Asp's Bite perfectly. (+56)
[23:00:13] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 114 (-64) damage!
[23:00:13] A barrier absorbs 50 damage of your attack!
[23:00:13] You hit Stardoag for 15 extra damage!
[23:00:13] Stardoag cannot seem to move!
[23:00:13] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[23:00:14] You are now preparing to perform a Cobra's Bite style as a backup for Diamondback!
[23:00:14] Stardoag attacks you with his spear!
[23:00:14] You are hit for 355 damage.
[23:00:14] Stardoag does 22 extra damage to you!
[23:00:14] You are hit for 22 damage.
[23:00:15] Stardoag evades your attack!
[23:00:16] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[23:00:16] You are now preparing to perform a Black Widow style as a backup for Diamondback!
[23:00:17] You perform your Black Widow perfectly. (+33)
[23:00:17] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 117 (-66) damage!
[23:00:17] You hit Stardoag for 14 extra damage!
[23:00:17] You attack Stardoag with your dagger and hit for 61 (-34) damage!
[23:00:17] You hit Stardoag for 10 extra damage!
[23:00:17] The hunter's avatar hits your torso for 105 (-28) damage!
[23:00:17] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[23:00:18] You are now preparing to perform a Sidewinder style as a backup for Diamondback!
[23:00:18] You perform your Sidewinder perfectly. (+21)
[23:00:18] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 96 (-54) damage!
[23:00:18] You hit Stardoag for 17 extra damage!
[23:00:19] Stardoag attacks you with his spear!
[23:00:19] You are hit for 345 damage.
[23:00:19] Stardoag does 20 extra damage to you!
[23:00:19] You are hit for 20 damage.
[23:00:19] Your movement is slowed!
[23:00:19] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[23:00:19] You are now preparing to perform a Asp's Bite style as a backup for Diamondback!
[23:00:20] You perform your Asp's Bite perfectly. (+63)
[23:00:20] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 128 (-72) damage!
[23:00:20] You critical hit for an additional 62 damage!
[23:00:20] You hit Stardoag for 17 extra damage!
[23:00:20] You attack Stardoag with your dagger and hit for 66 (-37) damage!
[23:00:20] You hit Stardoag for 16 extra damage!
[23:00:20] Stardoag cannot seem to move!
[23:00:21] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[23:00:21] You are now preparing to perform a Cobra's Bite style as a backup for Diamondback!
[23:00:22] You perform your Cobra's Bite perfectly. (+61)
[23:00:22] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 119 (-67) damage!
[23:00:22] You hit Stardoag for 15 extra damage!
[23:00:22] The hunter's avatar attacks you and misses!
[23:00:23] Stardoag attacks you with his spear!
[23:00:23] You are hit for 302 damage.
[23:00:23] Slitz was just killed by Stardoag!
[23:00:23] Your health returns to normal.
[23:00:23] Your Dexterity has decreased.
[23:00:23] Your Quickness has decreased.
[23:00:23] Your strength returns to normal.
[23:00:23] Your Strength has decreased.
[23:00:23] Your Constitution has decreased.
[23:00:23] Your hits have decreased.
[23:00:23] Your skin loses its extra strength.
[23:00:23] Your strength returns to normal.
[23:00:23] Your Strength has decreased.
[23:00:23] Your agility returns to normal.
[23:00:23] Your Dexterity has decreased.
[23:00:23] Your health returns to normal.
[23:00:23] Your Constitution has decreased.
[23:00:23] Your hits have decreased.
[23:00:23] You have died. Type /release to return to your last bind point.

**Note--I did not land my reactionary stine style in the above fight and lost.

The above was the 5 buff botted fights we had. I won 2 and Stardoag won 3. In the 5 fights, I landed my stun style in 3 of them. The 2 I did not land my stun style I lost, the 2 I won I did land the stun style. And there was one I landed my stun style and still lost.



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The next three fights we were self buffed only.
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[23:05:40] Stardoag bows to you.
[23:05:44] You auto-stick Kobold.
[23:05:46] You enter combat mode and target [Stardoag]
[23:05:46] You prepare to perform a Black Widow!
[23:05:46] Stardoag attacks you with his spear!
[23:05:46] You are hit for 259 damage.
[23:05:46] You perform your Black Widow perfectly. (+32)
[23:05:46] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 90 (-51) damage!
[23:05:46] You critical hit for an additional 30 damage!
[23:05:46] You hit Stardoag for 24 extra damage!
[23:05:46] Stardoag evades your attack!
[23:05:47] The hunter's avatar attacks you and misses!
[23:05:47] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[23:05:47] You are now preparing to perform a Sidewinder style as a backup for Diamondback!
[23:05:48] You perform your Sidewinder perfectly. (+21)
[23:05:48] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 74 (-42) damage!
[23:05:48] You hit Stardoag for 20 extra damage!
[23:05:48] A crystal shield covers Stardoag's skin.
[23:05:49] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[23:05:49] You are now preparing to perform a Asp's Bite style as a backup for Diamondback!
[23:05:49] Stardoag attacks you with his spear!
[23:05:49] You are hit for 232 damage.
[23:05:49] Your movement is slowed!
[23:05:49] A crystal shield covers you.
[23:05:50] Stardoag evades your attack!
[23:05:51] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[23:05:52] Your melee buffer absorbs 46 damage!
[23:05:52] The hunter's avatar hits your torso for 47 (-25) damage!
[23:05:52] A crystal shield covers you.
[23:05:52] You are now preparing to perform a Black Widow style as a backup for Diamondback!
[23:05:53] Stardoag attacks you with his spear!
[23:05:53] Your melee buffer absorbs 100 damage and dissipates!
[23:05:53] You are hit for 133 damage.
[23:05:53] You perform your Black Widow perfectly. (+34)
[23:05:53] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 96 (-54) damage!
[23:05:53] A barrier absorbs 48 damage of your attack!
[23:05:53] You hit Stardoag for 20 extra damage!
[23:05:53] You attack Stardoag with your dagger and hit for 50 (-28) damage!
[23:05:53] A barrier absorbs 25 damage of your attack!
[23:05:53] You hit Stardoag for 14 extra damage!
[23:05:53] A crystal shield covers Stardoag's skin.
[23:05:54] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[23:05:54] You are now preparing to perform a Sidewinder style as a backup for Diamondback!
[23:05:55] You perform your Sidewinder perfectly. (+22)
[23:05:55] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 80 (-45) damage!
[23:05:55] A barrier absorbs 40 damage of your attack!
[23:05:55] You hit Stardoag for 16 extra damage!
[23:05:55] You attack Stardoag with your dagger and hit for 52 (-29) damage!
[23:05:55] A barrier absorbs 26 damage of your attack!
[23:05:55] You hit Stardoag for 20 extra damage!
[23:05:56] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[23:05:56] The hunter's avatar attacks you and you evade the blow!
[23:05:56] You are now preparing to perform a Asp's Bite style as a backup for Diamondback!
[23:05:56] Stardoag attacks you with his spear!
[23:05:56] You are hit for 279 damage.
[23:05:56] Your movement is slowed!
[23:05:57] You perform your Asp's Bite perfectly. (+74)
[23:05:57] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 122 (-69) damage!
[23:05:57] A barrier absorbs 34 damage of your attack!
[23:05:57] You hit Stardoag for 23 extra damage!
[23:05:57] You attack Stardoag with your dagger and hit for 59 (-33) damage!
[23:05:57] You hit Stardoag for 15 extra damage!
[23:05:57] Stardoag's weapon is imbued with the strength of the earth.
[23:05:57] Stardoag cannot seem to move!
[23:05:58] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[23:06:00] You fail to execute your Diamondback perfectly.
[23:06:00] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 61 (-34) damage!
[23:06:00] You hit Stardoag for 17 extra damage!
[23:06:00] You attack Stardoag with your dagger and hit for 45 (-26) damage!
[23:06:00] You hit Stardoag for 20 extra damage!
[23:06:00] Stardoag's attacks move with the speed of the wind!
[23:06:00] Stardoag attacks you with his spear!
[23:06:00] You are hit for 246 damage.
[23:06:00] Stardoag does 43 extra damage to you!
[23:06:00] You are hit for 43 damage.
[23:06:00] The hunter's avatar attacks you and misses!
[23:06:00] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[23:06:01] You are now preparing to perform a Black Widow style as a backup for Diamondback!
[23:06:02] You perform your Black Widow perfectly. (+27)
[23:06:02] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 77 (-44) damage!
[23:06:02] You hit Stardoag for 23 extra damage!
[23:06:02] Stardoag evades your attack!
[23:06:03] You prepare to perform a Sidewinder!
[23:06:03] Stardoag attacks you with his spear!
[23:06:03] You are hit for 287 damage.
[23:06:03] Slitz was just killed by Stardoag!
[23:06:03] Your agility returns to normal.
[23:06:03] Your Dexterity has decreased.
[23:06:03] Your Quickness has decreased.
[23:06:03] Your strength returns to normal.
[23:06:03] Your Strength has decreased.
[23:06:03] The shield around you fades.
[23:06:03] You have died. Type /release to return to your last bind point.

**Note--I did not land my stun style in the above fight and lost.


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[23:08:30] You bow to Stardoag.
[23:08:37] Stardoag bows to you.
[23:08:39] You auto-stick Kobold.
[23:08:42] Stardoag attacks you with his spear!
[23:08:42] You evade Stardoag's attack!
[23:08:42] You enter combat mode and target [Stardoag]
[23:08:42] You prepare to perform a Black Widow!
[23:08:42] Stardoag evades your attack!
[23:08:43] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[23:08:43] You are now preparing to perform a Black Widow style as a backup for Diamondback!
[23:08:43] The hunter's avatar hits your leg for 98 (-26) damage!
[23:08:44] Stardoag evades your attack!
[23:08:45] Stardoag attacks you with his spear!
[23:08:45] You evade Stardoag's attack!
[23:08:45] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[23:08:46] You are now preparing to perform a Black Widow style as a backup for Diamondback!
[23:08:47] You perform your Diamondback perfectly. (+55)
[23:08:47] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 92 (-52) damage!
[23:08:47] You hit Stardoag for 23 extra damage!
[23:08:47] You attack Stardoag with your dagger and hit for 57 (-32) damage!
[23:08:47] You hit Stardoag for 20 extra damage!
[23:08:47] Stardoag is surrounded by an acidic cloud!
[23:08:47] You hit Stardoag for 60 damage!
[23:08:47] Stardoag cannot seem to move!
[23:08:48] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[23:08:48] The hunter's avatar attacks you and misses!
[23:08:49] You perform your Diamondback perfectly. (+67)
[23:08:49] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 111 (-63) damage!
[23:08:49] You hit Stardoag for 23 extra damage!
[23:08:49] Stardoag already has that effect.
[23:08:49] Wait until it expires. Spell Failed
[23:08:50] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[23:08:50] You are now preparing to perform a Black Widow style as a backup for Diamondback!
[23:08:51] Stardoag is surrounded by an acidic cloud!
[23:08:51] You hit Stardoag for 72 damage!
[23:08:51] You perform your Diamondback perfectly. (+72)
[23:08:51] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 118 (-67) damage!
[23:08:51] You hit Stardoag for 15 extra damage!
[23:08:51] You attack Stardoag with your dagger and hit for 48 (-27) damage!
[23:08:51] You hit Stardoag for 20 extra damage!
[23:08:51] Stardoag already has that effect.
[23:08:51] Wait until it expires. Spell Failed
[23:08:52] Stardoag attacks you with his spear!
[23:08:52] You are hit for 259 damage.
[23:08:52] A crystal shield covers Stardoag's skin.
[23:08:52] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[23:08:52] You are now preparing to perform a Black Widow style as a backup for Diamondback!
[23:08:52] The hunter's avatar hits your torso for 120 (-32) damage!
[23:08:53] You perform your Black Widow perfectly. (+30)
[23:08:53] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 84 (-47) damage!
[23:08:53] A barrier absorbs 42 damage of your attack!
[23:08:53] You hit Stardoag for 17 extra damage!
[23:08:55] You prepare to perform a Sidewinder!
[23:08:55] Stardoag is surrounded by an acidic cloud!
[23:08:55] You hit Stardoag for 69 damage!
[23:08:55] Stardoag attacks you with his spear!
[23:08:55] Stardoag misses!
[23:08:55] You perform your Sidewinder perfectly. (+25)
[23:08:55] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 90 (-50) damage!
[23:08:55] A barrier absorbs 8 damage of your attack!
[23:08:55] You hit Stardoag for 18 extra damage!
[23:08:55] A crystal shield covers Stardoag's skin.
[23:08:55] You attack Stardoag with your dagger and hit for 55 (-31) damage!
[23:08:55] A barrier absorbs 27 damage of your attack!
[23:08:55] You hit Stardoag for 18 extra damage!
[23:08:57] You prepare to perform a Asp's Bite!
[23:08:57] The hunter's avatar attacks you and you evade the blow!
[23:08:58] You perform your Asp's Bite perfectly. (+65)
[23:08:58] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 108 (-61) damage!
[23:08:58] You critical hit for an additional 10 damage!
[23:08:58] A barrier absorbs 59 damage of your attack!
[23:08:58] You hit Stardoag for 20 extra damage!
[23:08:58] You miss!
[23:08:58] Stardoag cannot seem to move!
[23:08:58] You prepare to perform a Black Widow!
[23:08:58] Stardoag attacks you with his spear!
[23:08:58] You are hit for 244 damage.
[23:08:58] Stardoag is surrounded by an acidic cloud!
[23:08:58] You hit Stardoag for 54 damage!
[23:08:59] You are now preparing to perform a Diamondback style as a backup for Black Widow!
[23:09:00] You perform your Black Widow perfectly. (+26)
[23:09:00] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 73 (-41) damage!
[23:09:00] A barrier absorbs 14 damage of your attack!
[23:09:00] You hit Stardoag for 17 extra damage!
[23:09:00] Stardoag evades your attack!
[23:09:02] The hunter's avatar hits your arm for 120 (-32) damage!
[23:09:02] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[23:09:02] You are now preparing to perform a Sidewinder style as a backup for Diamondback!
[23:09:02] You perform your Sidewinder perfectly. (+26)
[23:09:02] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 93 (-52) damage!
[23:09:02] You hit Stardoag for 24 extra damage!
[23:09:02] Stardoag evades your attack!
[23:09:03] Stardoag is surrounded by an acidic cloud!
[23:09:03] You hit Stardoag for 76 damage!
[23:09:03] Stardoag attacks you with his spear!
[23:09:03] You are hit for 309 damage.
[23:09:03] Your movement is slowed!
[23:09:03] A crystal shield covers you.
[23:09:03] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[23:09:04] You are now preparing to perform a Asp's Bite style as a backup for Diamondback!
[23:09:05] You perform your Asp's Bite perfectly. (+57)
[23:09:05] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 94 (-53) damage!
[23:09:05] hunter's avatar calms down.
[23:09:05] You just killed Stardoag!

**Note--In the above fight I landed my stun style and won.

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[23:20:40] You bow to Stardoag.
[23:20:44] Stardoag bows to you.
[23:20:46] You auto-stick Kobold.
[23:20:48] You enter combat mode and target [Stardoag]
[23:20:48] You prepare to perform a Black Widow!
[23:20:48] You miss!
[23:20:48] Stardoag attacks you with his spear!
[23:20:48] Your melee buffer absorbs 100 damage and dissipates!
[23:20:48] You are hit for 230 damage.
[23:20:50] The hunter's avatar hits your arm for 99 (-26) damage!
[23:20:50] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[23:20:50] You are now preparing to perform a Black Widow style as a backup for Diamondback!
[23:20:51] You perform your Black Widow perfectly. (+34)
[23:20:51] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 96 (-54) damage!
[23:20:51] You hit Stardoag for 18 extra damage!
[23:20:51] Stardoag's weapon is imbued with the strength of the earth.
[23:20:52] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[23:20:52] You are now preparing to perform a Sidewinder style as a backup for Diamondback!
[23:20:52] Stardoag attacks you with his spear!
[23:20:52] You are hit for 288 damage.
[23:20:52] Stardoag does 39 extra damage to you!
[23:20:52] You are hit for 39 damage.
[23:20:52] Your movement is slowed!
[23:20:52] A crystal shield covers Stardoag's skin.
[23:20:53] You have already selected your styles for this round!
[23:20:53] Stardoag evades your attack!
[23:20:54] The hunter's avatar attacks you and misses!
[23:20:54] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[23:20:55] You are now preparing to perform a Black Widow style as a backup for Diamondback!
[23:20:56] You perform your Black Widow perfectly. (+35)
[23:20:56] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 99 (-56) damage!
[23:20:56] A barrier absorbs 49 damage of your attack!
[23:20:56] You hit Stardoag for 25 extra damage!
[23:20:56] Stardoag attacks you with his spear!
[23:20:56] You are hit for 273 damage.
[23:20:56] Stardoag does 45 extra damage to you!
[23:20:56] You are hit for 45 damage.
[23:20:57] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[23:20:57] You are now preparing to perform a Sidewinder style as a backup for Diamondback!
[23:20:58] Stardoag evades your attack!
[23:20:59] The hunter's avatar hits your leg for 95 (-25) damage!
[23:20:59] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[23:20:59] Stardoag attacks you with his spear!
[23:20:59] You evade Stardoag's attack!
[23:20:59] You are now preparing to perform a Black Widow style as a backup for Diamondback!
[23:21:00] You perform your Diamondback perfectly. (+67)
[23:21:00] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 110 (-62) damage!
[23:21:00] You critical hit for an additional 28 damage!
[23:21:00] A barrier absorbs 1 damage of your attack!
[23:21:00] You hit Stardoag for 19 extra damage!
[23:21:00] You attack Stardoag with your dagger and hit for 57 (-32) damage!
[23:21:00] You hit Stardoag for 19 extra damage!
[23:21:00] Stardoag cannot seem to move!
[23:21:01] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[23:21:03] You perform your Diamondback perfectly. (+54)
[23:21:03] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 90 (-51) damage!
[23:21:03] You hit Stardoag for 21 extra damage!
[23:21:03] You attack Stardoag with your dagger and hit for 61 (-34) damage!
[23:21:03] You hit Stardoag for 20 extra damage!
[23:21:03] Stardoag already has that effect.
[23:21:03] Wait until it expires. Spell Failed
[23:21:03] The hunter's avatar hits your torso for 114 (-30) damage!
[23:21:03] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[23:21:05] You perform your Diamondback perfectly. (+69)
[23:21:05] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 115 (-65) damage!
[23:21:05] You hit Stardoag for 19 extra damage!
[23:21:05] You attack Stardoag with your dagger and hit for 46 (-26) damage!
[23:21:05] You hit Stardoag for 17 extra damage!
[23:21:05] Stardoag already has that effect.
[23:21:05] Wait until it expires. Spell Failed
[23:21:05] Stardoag attacks you with his spear!
[23:21:05] You are hit for 339 damage.
[23:21:05] Slitz was just killed by Stardoag!
[23:21:05] Your agility returns to normal.
[23:21:05] Your Dexterity has decreased.
[23:21:05] Your Quickness has decreased.
[23:21:05] Your strength returns to normal.
[23:21:05] Your Strength has decreased.
[23:21:05] The shield around you fades.
[23:21:05] You have died. Type /release to return to your last bind point.

**Note--In the above fight I landed my stun style and lost.

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Ok here are a few bow damage comparisons. These shots are crit shots by Stardoag with him not being buff botted.
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[23:24:32] Stardoag shoots you with his bow!

[23:24:32] You are hit for 675 damage.

[23:25:48] You are hit for 689 damage.

[23:26:04] You are hit for 704 damage.

[23:26:20] You are hit for 689 damage.

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These next shots are Crit shots by me and I am buff botted.

[[23:26:44] You shoot Stardoag with your bow and hit for 782 (-149) damage!
[23:26:44] You hit Stardoag for 28 extra damage!

[23:27:19] You shoot Stardoag with your bow and hit for 828 (-158) damage!
[23:27:19] You hit Stardoag for 23 extra damage!

[23:27:57] You shoot Stardoag with your bow and hit for 781 (-149) damage!
[23:27:57] You hit Stardoag for 29 extra damage!

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Next are crit shots by Stardoag, and he is buff botted.
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[23:28:23] Stardoag shoots you with his bow!
[23:28:23] You are hit for 802 damage.

[23:28:46] Stardoag shoots you with his bow!
[23:28:46] You are hit for 674 damage.

[23:29:10] Stardoag shoots you with his bow!
[23:29:10] You are hit for 813 damage.

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Next are regular shots by me, and I am buff botted.
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[23:30:34] You shoot Stardoag with your bow and hit for 422 (-80) damage!
[23:30:34] You hit Stardoag for 28 extra damage!

[23:30:37] You shoot Stardoag with your bow and hit for 447 (-85) damage!
[23:30:37] You hit Stardoag for 29 extra damage!

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Next are regular shots by Stardoag, and he is buff botted.
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[23:31:00] Stardoag shoots you with his bow!
[23:31:00] You are hit for 389 damage.

[23:31:03] Stardoag shoots you with his bow!
[23:31:03] You are hit for 416 damage.

[23:31:06] Stardoag shoots you with his bow!
[23:31:06] You are hit for 357 damage.

[23:31:09] Stardoag shoots you with his bow!
[23:31:09] You are hit for 416 damage.

********************************************Next are regular shots by me, and I am buff botted.
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[23:31:24] You shoot Stardoag with your bow and hit for 436 (-83) damage!
[23:31:24] You hit Stardoag for 22 extra damage!

[23:31:28] You shoot Stardoag with your bow and hit for 383 (-73) damage!
[23:31:28] You hit Stardoag for 27 extra damage!

[23:31:30] You shoot Stardoag with your bow and hit for 420 (-80) damage!
[23:31:30] You hit Stardoag for 19 extra damage!

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This is a fight with both myself and Stardoag being buff botted.
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[23:36:42] Stardoag bows to you.
[23:36:46] You bow to Stardoag.
[23:36:48] You auto-stick Kobold.
[23:36:49] Stardoag casts a spell!
[23:36:50] Stardoag attacks you with his spear!
[23:36:50] You are hit for 363 damage.
[23:36:50] You enter combat mode and target [Stardoag]
[23:36:50] You prepare to perform a Black Widow!
[23:36:50] You perform your Black Widow perfectly. (+32)
[23:36:50] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 114 (-64) damage!
[23:36:50] You hit Stardoag for 18 extra damage!
[23:36:51] The hunter's avatar attacks you and misses!
[23:36:51] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[23:36:51] You are now preparing to perform a Sidewinder style as a backup for Diamondback!
[23:36:52] You perform your Sidewinder perfectly. (+20)
[23:36:52] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 92 (-52) damage!
[23:36:52] You hit Stardoag for 16 extra damage!
[23:36:52] You attack Stardoag with your dagger and hit for 76 (-43) damage!
[23:36:52] You critical hit for an additional 16 damage!
[23:36:52] You hit Stardoag for 10 extra damage!
[23:36:52] A crystal shield covers Stardoag's skin.
[23:36:53] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[23:36:53] You are now preparing to perform a Asp's Bite style as a backup for Diamondback!
[23:36:53] Stardoag attacks you with his spear!
[23:36:53] Stardoag misses!
[23:36:53] You perform your Asp's Bite perfectly. (+70)
[23:36:53] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 141 (-79) damage!
[23:36:53] A barrier absorbs 70 damage of your attack!
[23:36:53] You hit Stardoag for 18 extra damage!
[23:36:53] You attack Stardoag with your dagger and hit for 81 (-45) damage!
[23:36:53] A barrier absorbs 30 damage of your attack!
[23:36:53] You hit Stardoag for 15 extra damage!
[23:36:53] Stardoag cannot seem to move!
[23:36:54] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[23:36:54] You are now preparing to perform a Cobra's Bite style as a backup for Diamondback!
[23:36:55] The hunter's avatar hits your leg for 85 (-23) damage!
[23:36:55] A crystal shield covers you.
[23:36:55] You perform your Cobra's Bite perfectly. (+72)
[23:36:55] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 139 (-78) damage!
[23:36:55] You hit Stardoag for 11 extra damage!
[23:36:57] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[23:36:57] You are now preparing to perform a Black Widow style as a backup for Diamondback!
[23:36:57] Stardoag attacks you with his spear!
[23:36:57] Your melee buffer absorbs 100 damage and dissipates!
[23:36:57] You are hit for 244 damage.
[23:36:57] Stardoag is not in view!
[23:36:58] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 70 (-40) damage!
[23:36:58] You hit Stardoag for 12 extra damage!
[23:36:58] You attack Stardoag with your dagger and hit for 77 (-43) damage!
[23:36:58] You hit Stardoag for 12 extra damage!
[23:36:58] Stardoag is surrounded by an acidic cloud!
[23:36:58] You hit Stardoag for 62 damage!
[23:36:58] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[23:36:58] You must perform the Black Widow style before this one!
[23:37:00] You are already preparing to use this style! Type /cancelstyle to enable style cancelling.
[23:37:00] You are now preparing to perform a Black Widow style as a backup for Diamondback!
[23:37:00] The hunter's avatar hits your torso for 100 (-27) damage!
[23:37:00] Stardoag evades your attack!
[23:37:01] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[23:37:01] Stardoag attacks you with his spear!
[23:37:01] You are hit for 438 damage.
[23:37:01] Your movement is slowed!
[23:37:01] You are now preparing to perform a Black Widow style as a backup for Diamondback!
[23:37:02] You perform your Black Widow perfectly. (+33)
[23:37:02] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 120 (-67) damage!
[23:37:02] You hit Stardoag for 12 extra damage!
[23:37:02] You attack Stardoag with your dagger and hit for 75 (-42) damage!
[23:37:02] You hit Stardoag for 10 extra damage!
[23:37:02] Stardoag is surrounded by an acidic cloud!
[23:37:02] You hit Stardoag for 55 damage!
[23:37:02] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[23:37:03] You are now preparing to perform a Sidewinder style as a backup for Diamondback!
[23:37:03] You perform your Sidewinder perfectly. (+23)
[23:37:03] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 109 (-61) damage!
[23:37:03] You hit Stardoag for 12 extra damage!
[23:37:03] Stardoag is surrounded by an acidic cloud!
[23:37:03] You hit Stardoag for 73 damage!
[23:37:03] You attack Stardoag with your dagger and hit for 76 (-43) damage!
[23:37:03] You hit Stardoag for 13 extra damage!
[23:37:04] The hunter's avatar attacks you and you evade the blow!
[23:37:04] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[23:37:04] You are now preparing to perform a Asp's Bite style as a backup for Diamondback!
[23:37:04] You perform your Asp's Bite perfectly. (+71)
[23:37:04] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 144 (-81) damage!
[23:37:04] You hit Stardoag for 15 extra damage!
[23:37:04] Stardoag cannot seem to move!
[23:37:05] Stardoag attacks you with his spear!
[23:37:05] You evade Stardoag's attack!
[23:37:05] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[23:37:06] You are now preparing to perform a Cobra's Bite style as a backup for Diamondback!
[23:37:07] Stardoag evades your attack!
[23:37:07] Stardoag evades your attack!
[23:37:07] Stardoag is surrounded by an acidic cloud!
[23:37:07] You hit Stardoag for 62 damage!
[23:37:07] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[23:37:08] You are now preparing to perform a Black Widow style as a backup for Diamondback!
[23:37:08] You perform your Diamondback perfectly. (+70)
[23:37:08] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 141 (-79) damage!
[23:37:08] You hit Stardoag for 18 extra damage!
[23:37:08] Stardoag cannot seem to move!
[23:37:08] Stardoag is surrounded by an acidic cloud!
[23:37:08] You hit Stardoag for 58 damage!
[23:37:09] The hunter's avatar hits your torso for 82 (-22) damage!
[23:37:10] You prepare to perform a Diamondback!
[23:37:10] You are now preparing to perform a Black Widow style as a backup for Diamondback!
[23:37:10] You perform your Diamondback perfectly. (+71)
[23:37:10] You attack Stardoag with your rapier and hit for 143 (-81) damage!
[23:37:10] You just killed Stardoag!
[23:37:10] Stardoag's extra strength fades.
[23:37:10] Stardoag's extra health fades.
[23:37:10] The protection around Stardoag fades.
[23:37:10] The acidic mist around Stardoag dissipates.
[23:37:10] Stardoag just died. His corpse lies on the ground.

**Note--I landed my reactionary stun style and won the above fight.

**Extra Note--Only fights I won against Stardoag was when I landed my reactionary stun style. And in some fights I landed my stun style and still lost.


Conclusions:

You can not make concrete conlcusions by a few logs. But, you can get a general idea. I do not know whether Hunter melee is greater than Ranger, or whether Ranger melee is greater than Hunters. But I do know they are both similar. The above logs DO give a pretty decent idea (no, not an exact ratio comparrison) of the difference between Hunters and Rangers as far as melee and bow.


For those that took the time to read this log, thanks happy Took me quite a while to post all this and to clean it up to a degree.

Any comments and observations are welcomed.

 

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Date Posted: 7/17/03 10:31pm Subject: RE: Logs of hunter/ranger melee/bow damage comparrison (Long)
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Date Posted: 7/17/03 10:57pm Subject: RE: Logs of hunter/ranger melee/bow damage comparrison (Long)
*trembles with excitement*

This is gonna get interesting Slitz. happy

 

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Date Posted: 7/17/03 11:04pm Subject: RE: Logs of hunter/ranger melee/bow damage comparrison (Long)
Forgot to mention...

I have maxed melee resists.

 

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Date Posted: 7/17/03 11:06pm Subject: RE: Logs of hunter/ranger melee/bow damage comparrison (Long)
In addition...

Mid has a 10% melee bonus due to the relic situation.

 

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Date Posted: 7/17/03 11:27pm Subject: RE: Logs of hunter/ranger melee/bow damage comparrison (Long) - Date Edited: 7/17/03 11:50pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Swiftdeathz
Lots of holes in this which I'll attempt to touch on... hope the flames aren't as bad this time...

*First of all ok we know Star has the advantadge with 10% relics...

*We also know that Star has more base spear and possibly higher total melee spec than Slitz...

*We also know that Star has mostly passive RA's that help his character in duels over Slitz active RA's which didn't help in these duels...

*We also know that Hunters according to Mythic should be the superior melee archer (superior means best and should win at least 80% of fights...)

*We see that in the duels that Slitz decided to post it came out to 5 wins for Star and 4 wins for Slitz (this is not 80%...)

*We also already know that you need alot more than 9 duels to get an accurate picture...

*We also know that Star is a great hunter and has great items and like Slitz is not the norm...

Slitz of course didn't post the duels with another Hunter which he had where he owned him 80% of the time according to Star... which would throw his 'biased' comparison out of whack...

Then the other point that I brought up which just got ignored with the flames is the simple comparison that if Slitz can own assassins most of the time as he proclaims... And I know that I and many other Hunters can't take assassins if their life depended on them because of evades and slow spear... Then how can you possible say that Ranger/Hunter melee is on-par or similair... plain

In summation... This just shows in Slitz's opinion and some others who agree with him, that Slitz's melee is on par with Stardoag's...

Saying that this shows the Hunter/Ranger class as a whole is preposterous...

 

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Date Posted: 7/17/03 11:42pm Subject: RE: Logs of hunter/ranger melee/bow damage comparrison (Long)


TY Slitz for taking the time and energy to do all this.

I, for one, have had enough.

Not touching this topic again.


 

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Date Posted: 7/18/03 1:12am Subject: RE: Logs of hunter/ranger melee/bow damage comparrison (Long)
When Swift said that hunter melee was worse then Ranger melee i don't think he ment Hunter Vs Ranger. We all know that there are more fights then just H Vs R plain So a Hunter can beat up on ya with higher spec in melee and you using weapons weak to his gear. I don't think that proves anything about either classes melee. Now if you tested it against each class and came out with results from all the logged duels, then you might have something. I'm not saying run out and test it, just saying your fighting two different battles here.

 

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Date Posted: 7/18/03 1:22am Subject: RE: Logs of hunter/ranger melee/bow damage comparrison (Long)
nice work slitz. just one thing i'd like to add about comparing ranger melee vs hunter melee is that you really can't compare them by fighting each other. What would be nice is if you could get an assasin or two and a tank or two to help you guys and each duel the assasin/tank. I think results would be better in your favor simply by the fact that while dmg over time ranger and hunter may be close, one parry/evade/block/miss/bt seriously imbalances the whole thing. for example, in your duels. one evade from you and the hunter looses 1/5 of his dmg output. one evade from star and you loose like 1/20 of your dmg output. simply because you swing more times for less dmg.

anyway, that was all i was thinking the whole time. great job on the logs though. the bow dmg comparison was nice.

 

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Date Posted: 7/18/03 1:34am Subject: RE: Logs of hunter/ranger melee/bow damage comparrison (Long)
Hehe how can you lose to a hunter in melee! tongue

 

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Date Posted: 7/18/03 2:00am Subject: RE: Logs of hunter/ranger melee/bow damage comparrison (Long)
this is a dead horse. reroll out of archers!

 

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Date Posted: 7/18/03 4:15am Subject: RE: Logs of hunter/ranger melee/bow damage comparrison (Long)
Oh, rangers can switch there weapon from thrust to slash now with no penalties?

I think hunters still can..

 

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Date Posted: 7/18/03 4:32am Subject: RE: Logs of hunter/ranger melee/bow damage comparrison (Long)
i'd be happy to test with slitz and stardaog grin

 

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Date Posted: 7/18/03 6:39am Subject: RE: Logs of hunter/ranger melee/bow damage comparrison (Long) - Date Edited: 7/18/03 6:42am (1 edits total) Edited By: Wulff_Grymmskaft
I'm not surprised to discover another thread exploded into flames. Our server went through the same thing this time last year. Huge debates, numerous threads, a number of duels etc and after a few months and scores of logs players came to understand that melee specced rangers simply destroyed hunters. Eventually Mythic added the 6% base damage and the insta pet.

There's way too much to fairly rip the logs apart and shake them down as it were.

There are also way too many variables. Was the dog buffed or un-buffed. In 'real" RvR the dog is almost always un-buffed. Who got lucky with procs. Did Swift win fights only when he got lucky with Dot/ablative procs or did you win only when you got the lucky procs etc,etc.

But most importantly as Swift already touched on.

What are the comparitive specs? How many spec points are invested in the "melee" lines. Pierce/dw/cd/path vs spear/bc? and how many RA pts are in passives? From the sounds of it, Swift is heavily invested in passives further skewing the results and of coarse theres the 10% relic bonus. Unless your similarily specced (1,800 spec pt in melee minimum) Swift should have pummelled you in almost every fight.

Instead yes we see fights that are very close, quite possibly decided by who got lucky ( crits/procs), despite the relic and likely a heavy advantage (my assumption) in melee spec/ras in Swifts favor.

The bow difference is 10%, always has been. Some think thats small, others not. To me its like Rangers/Scouts having a relic in their back pocket all the time that hunters don't.

In the end if throw the intangibles/spec differences out the window.

In a situation (controlled duel) where the hunter can have all his tools available and ready, the results are extremely close.

Now pretend thats real RvR, where theres a chance the pet isn't available or Swift and the pet got hit by any old AOE mezz/stun (where he can purge but the pet can't) or TWF or the pet was easily killed by incidental pbaoe and you cross swords. Or he has to take the few seconds to summon the pet (un-buffed of coarse) and chances are Swift will lose every single time and you can salute him as you walk away with your 5.5 wink

Despite our similarities, the classes are different. With different strengths and weaknesses and differnt problems.

leave it at that is my suggestion.

 

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Date Posted: 7/18/03 6:42am Subject: RE: Logs of hunter/ranger melee/bow damage comparrison (Long)
I owuld be happy to include my Hunter in these tests as well

 

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Date Posted: 7/18/03 7:54am Subject: RE: Logs of hunter/ranger melee/bow damage comparrison (Long)
My RR3 melee ranger is on Pendragon and ready to go.

Just send me a PM and we'll duel in Hadrian's.

Don't have buffbot there though.

 

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