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Keersdan
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I'm not so sure that's correct, but I've done no testing to prove it either way. For a while I had my sword and shield armsman specced 50 shield, 50 parry, 31 slash (autotrained points). On Pendragon we were doing mini Sidi raids with 1 group and a oog puller so I wanted a really defensive spec. I had a hell of a time hitting those mobs, until I swapped the slash and parry spec.
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Not sure if Rust saw this so I'm bumping. I was under the impression that weaponskill and the to-hit bonus on styles effected your ability to hit. Kalisti disproved the latter, I though then that the t0-hit bonus only effected outright misses (before defense calculations) then weaponskill counted against shield/parry/evade. For a mob I thought it was style bonus for outright misses, then weaponskill against a mob's level based "AF", for lack of a better word.
Like I said I haven't tested either way. But if weaponskill doesn't effect your ability to hit a red or purple mob, then what does?
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Im speaking PvP only, if the rules are different for PvE, then i dont know about that part.
For PvP wepskill increases chance to break through blocks/parrys/evades, and to-hit bonuses decreases chance to outright "miss" the opponent. Thats what all the players ive spoken to and all posts ive seen actually testing those things said.
As i said rules might be different for PvE for what i know, i tend to care more about the PvP part.
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Keersdan
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PvP can't be the only thing you think about anymore though. With the introdcution of ToA Mythic is -forcing- PvE down our throats if you want to compete. That said it'd be nice to verify to hit ability against hi
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As far as i know in PvE your chance to avoid outright missing an opponent is based on your lvl compared to the mobs lvl, the bonus on your weapon and any to-hit bonuses on the styles youre using. As a paladin i dont seem to have any big problems hitting purple mobs compared to pure tanks.
However, this hasnt got anything to do with the main reason behind this thread has it...? ;-)
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Thank you for your Tests! It helped me alot specing my 2H Arms.
Nice Work!
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Keersdan
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The main reason behind this thread is to share accurate information as far as I'm concerned. If it pertains to the armsman class, is backed up by solid data (or is presented with the disclaimer that it is not), then it has a place here. Besides, it's my thread, I'll steer it anyway I see fit. 
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/bump
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"To my knowledge, pre-nerf Defender's Rage and Defender's Revenge were the only styles in the game with growth rates over 1.0"
pre-nerf la styles and actual h2h styles were/are way higher than 1.0, even close to 1.5...
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Keersdan
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pre-nerf la styles and actual h2h styles were/are way higher than 1.0, even close to 1.5...
I stand corrected. Are the H2H styles still that high?
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/bumping for reference.
Though 1 question. So if I'm:
50+11 pole
39 crush
does that mean if I'm wielding a 1 hander (crush obviously) my weaponskill would be less but as long as I had +11 to crush I'd be fine? In other words my WS would not change whatsoever? Just coming at it from a pve perspective  Thank ye!
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12/25/03 6:48pm
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No, your one handed weaponskill will suffer. The only reason for going lower in the damage type is to save points elswhere but still not sacrifice anything with polearm.
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But if i spec 39 crush and keep SC'd gear and thus keep my crush at my level would that not keep my WS up? or not enough like if it was at my level base-wise?
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There is a significant (eye of the beholder) difference in weaponskill when comparing 39+11 and 50+11. If you expect to be a shield user a lot, you might want to reconsider that spec.
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Date Posted:
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I defintily will be using Pole at 50. And shield would be of use for stun and guarding casters/healers etc in keep takes. Otherwise I feel completely useless in those circumstances.
(btw, did they announce what other role we could play during sieges yet?)
But we have another 9-10 levels to go to hit 50 and thinking having shield would be of great use for blocking in pve. Though I still want to be able to peel/hit the mobs. If WS is significantly less, then would that greatly affect my to hit on mobs? If so, how do, say, paladins, fair when I know they go no farther than 39 or even 29 for that matter.
Just curious...
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